Gaza missiles homicide rate equals that by raped Wives

Can't wait for the War on Husbands.

hmmm Israel needs to stop and just launch a random missle back for ever one hamas shoots. Then its fair and all settled

Terrible what's happening there, really.

Your data on sexual abuse of Anglo  children are interesting. I suggest you make a separate article devoted entirely to it. Same goes for violence against Anglo women--to correct the misconception that such happens primarily among Islamic cultures. I mean, everyone hurting women and children should be unmasked/made known.

Clipped to Newsvine Feminists.

Clearly Women should NOT murder their Spouses for ANY reason (except self defence) and nor should angry young Occupied Palestinian men fire missiles into the Occupying State of Israel (the more so because of the horrendously disproportionate Israeli reprisals death ratios that hugely exceed those of Nazi Germany).

Equally clearly Men should NOT batter or rape their wives and Apartheid Israel should STOP its illegal, highly abusive, mass imprisonment of Occupied Palestinians and STOP its horrendous active and passive mass murder of Occupied Palestinians (notably Occupied Palestinian CHILDREN) in egregious, war criminal violation of International Law.

Gideon, thanks, a great article, as always.

Ironically though  Israel is imposing strict ban at the news of its casualties but at least the announced number of killed IDF soldiers is higher than those killed by rockets in 7 years

I am always too late on finding this stuff, but I had been thinking about it. We allow gang members from Mexico and Central America into the country everyday. Aside from the deaths from meth and heroin and crack, The murder rate associated with these gang members and the drug cartels, is especially horrendous in black neighborhoods. Here black middle class/working class families are being pushed out by these racist gangs, just when they had started to pull themselves out of their own hell, is staggering.

But I don't see us saying ok, lets fire up the F-16s and bomb Mexico City or San Salvador. Not I am not saying that we are totally innocent in what has gone on south of our border, but at this point the class of those in power(like eric alpert likes to say) is really the issue.

The poor masses and the 1%ers. Mexico is being run by thugs who have more wealth than God, and they need a revolution, but in the meantime if you use the method of ratio and proportion while we should not do it , we would be much more justified at this point.

What hypocricy!!

The IDF's proud performance compared to the Rest of the World

Analysis of the Gaza operation compared to the Fallujah operation in Iraq and the NATO military operation in the former Yugoslavia

Fallujah

Fallujah in Iraq is located about 40 miles west of Bagdad.

In 2004 its population was 200 to 300 thousand.

The town was controlled by fanatic Islamic forces answering to El Qaida, and was a base for numerous terrorist activities against the US forces.

The US Army decided to attack the city although the region was under a so called cease fire.

On 11/7/2004 the US army launched an attack on Fallujah with 3 battalions – population between 200 and 300 thousand.

(The IDF's operation in Gaza – population almost 2 million - also includes 3 battalions.)

The US army were going after about 3000 Islamic terrorists (The IDF is fighting about 18,000)

Two thirds of the population of Fallujah fled from the city at the beginning of the operation thus leaving only about 50 to 100 thousand inhabitants.

(The citizens of the Gaza strip comprise the most populated area in the world with almost 2M people who have nowhere to run to)

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At the end of the operation the reported results in Fallujah were as follows (Up-to-date results in Gaza added in brackets):

6,000 civilian casualties ( Gaza = 1,100)

1,000 Terrorists killed (Gaza = 420)

10,000 (20%) houses destroyed (Gaza = 300 - about 3%)

26,000 houses needing repair (Gaza = 1,000)

65 Mosques and 60 schools were destroyed. (Gaza 10 and 5)

The US army claimed that Mosques were used as ammunition stores and that schools harboured terrorists.

(The IDF has made similar claims)

77 US soldiers were killed in Fallujah

10 IDF soldiers have been killed in Gaza

The Fallujah operation was performed by the Marines and the 82^nd airborne. These are Elite units of the US military.

The operation was advertised as one of the most successful ever performed by the US armed forces.

The "results" in Fallujah were far "better" than those in any other operation carried out elsewhere in the world (Algeria, Chechnia, Kosovo etc.)

The former Yugoslavia:

In eleven weeks NATO air forces flew over 36,000 sorties and dropped over 23,000 bombs and missiles on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia, Vojvodina, Kosovo, and Montenegro). These included 400 cruise missiles, cluster bombs, and highly toxic depleted uranium bombs.

Targets included the military forces, bases and equipment of the Serbian army. In addition the bombing damaged or destroyed 144 major industrial plants including all Yugoslavia's oil refineries, fuel storage facilities, car and motorcycle factories, pharmaceutical and fertiliser factories, rubber factories. The bombing of some of these released large quantities of dangerous chemicals into the environment, created an oil slick on the Danube 20 kilometres long, and put 600, 000 people out of work.

Damaged or destroyed were several thousand homes (mainly in Belgrade, Nis, Cuprija, Aleksinac and Pristina), 33 clinics and hospitals, 340 schools, 55 road and rail bridges. The River Danube was blocked; some of the bridges were hundreds of miles from the scenes of the racial expulsions and were vital trade links to the rest of Europe. Also attacked were 12 railway lines, 5 civilian airports, 6 trunk roads, 10 TV / radio stations and 24 transmitters; power stations were put out of action; sewage treatment plants were damaged; water supplies were cut off.

Five thousand civilians were injured; 1400 adult civilians were killed, 600 children were killed, 600 military and police personnel were killed. There are now 10,000 unexploded bombs scattered throughout the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Serbia is now the most polluted, damaged, distressed, politically unsettled, and poverty-stricken country in Europe. It is an humanitarian disaster area and has the highest UNHCR budget of any country in the world.

The strikes were carried out by high altitude bombing runs in order to safeguard the lives of the pilots.

How many operations against terrorists can you name where:

1.    Civilians (and terrorists) were warned of military strikes?

2.    The attacking force provided daily food and medical aid to citizens as well as to the terrorists being sheltered by them?

3.    The attacking army arranged daily 3 hour ceasefires that enabled aid to be brought in while allowing terrorists to re-organise and even fire missiles?

4.    The air force carries out close range precision bombing, often averting missiles at the last minute when civilians are spotted in the vicinity of military targets.

The IDF has proved that it is the best trained, best performing and most moral army by far!

After 8 years and over 10,000 missiles fired at our civilians and children.

After countless attempts to talk and achieve a peaceful agreement

After removing from Gaza any and all Israeli or Jewish presence let alone any "occupation"

After using all the means at our disposal before military means (including political pressure, and closing and blockading the border)

All this against an enemy :

1.    That publicly declares its intention of killing all Jews and putting and destroying the state of Israel (See official Hamas charter and website)

2.    Indoctrinates children to hate Jews and to exult in death and martyrdom achieved by killing Jews.

3.    Uses children and women as human shields.

4.    Uses its youth as suicide bombers against innocent civilian targets

5.    Kills anyone amongst their own people who dares to speak out against them

We have nothing to apologize for.

What would your country do?

"The Israeli's have committed many crimes and have much to answer for."

It's true that Israel has occasionally committed excesses, which certainly can't compete with the atrocities regularly committed by the Arabs (even those committed on their own brethren), but which may be considered reprehensible nonetheless.  However, that's what happens in war.  Look at your own countrys' history: millions of Japanese and German civilians roasted in WWII, a million dead Viet-Namese, probably hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in Iraq and Afganistan, Algeria, Kosovo, Chechnya, Jordan, Lebanon, ...... Do you really feel that you have the moral standing to be redressing Israel?  Are you aware that of all the long-standing conflicts in the world this is the one with the lowest relative mortality rate?  Are you aware that more Palestinians have been killed in Moslem countries every year than have been killed in the entire history of the conflict in which Israel is involved?

"just because the other kids jump off a bridge, does that make alright for you to jump off a bridge?"

No - it doesn't - but what choice does Israel have? Unless you suggest sitting back and letting children get blown up in schools and buses by religious fanatics who believe that killing Jews will get them to paradise.

Iam not a zionist apologist - I am a proud Zionist and have nothing to apologise for.

Are you suggesting that the hundreds of innocents blown up in busses, shopping centers, streets etc in Israel ara figment of my imagination or that those who committed these attrocities were not fanatical moslems who were either coerced or brainwashed into believeing they would attain eternal paradise by killing Jews?

If a terrorist hides behind women and children and shoots at your children - what would you do? And when you fired back to protect your own and were accused of being a mass murderer because innocents were unfortunately killed - would you apologise?

Why the double standard? Why do you choose to ignore the 200,000 innocent civilians killed and 1 million displaced in Darfur, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of injured, disfigured, raped, and tortured - a tragic (but perfect) example of mass murder, ethnic cleansing and collective punisment - and point a finger at Israel - unless you have a particular agenda that is directed against Jews and Zionism?

To have such an agenda is perfectly legitimate, of course, but why hide behind accusations that do not hold water, are disproportionate and one sided?

1. I am not changing the subject - just asking why you are using a double standard to "judge" what Israel is doing when, by comparing it to ANY other conflict you would arrive at the conclusion that although Israel is unfortunately killing innocent civilians (please note - I am not avoiding the issue) it's army is far more moral and it's military action far more proportionate than any other similar military action carried out anywhere. I am sure most Israelis would prefer the conflict solved by non military means but then, for that, Hamas has to do something it has refused to do - RECOGNIZE THE RIGHT OF ISRAEL TO EXIST.

2. By saying that the hundreds of thousands of dead and the attrocities of Darfur are irrelevant on a forum discussing the military actions of one people against another then you are showing your bias and narrow mindedness. But then, maybe the suffering of civilians is not as important to you as bashing Israel.

3. In case you did not notice, I have repeatedly stated the reason for the military action in Gaza. Does any sane person really believe there would be a military action at all if Hamas had not shelled innocent Israelis. The difference between Israel and the Hamas is that Hamas targets civilians and is sorry when they miss, while Israel targets terrorists and regrets every civilian casualty.

No Israeli is happy to see pictures of children being killed in Gaza. Were the Americans and British happy at seeing pictures of children killed in Berlin, Dresden and elsewhere in the fire-bombings? Probably not. Was anyone happy at seeing pictures of children hurt in Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Probably not.

But it was war. and if you wanted the Germans to stop killing your children at home, to stop killing your soldiers, to stop the murders in the concentration camps, you had to win the war. The way to win involved hitting the enemy as hard as possible. No-one doubted that civilians would be caught up in that effort. No one disputed that this involved collective punishment

Hamas perfected the "art" of suicide bombings and of targeting civilians. They perfected the "science" of collective punishment of the Israelis - wherever they live - in Israel, overseas - no Jewish Israeli is safe from Hamas - and only because he is Jewish. If Israel wants to stop the weekly attacks on buses, cafes, shopping malls and open markets, killing dozens of people at a time and wounding dozens more, including women, children and old people, if Israel wants to stop the daily bombings of it's civilians Israel has to hit Hamas hard.

Israel does not target children like Hamas does, but since Hamas shoots from behind children and use innocents as human shields, they cannot be given immunity from harm and neither can their human shields. If you want to call that collective punishment - go ahead.