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Planet doomed to temperatures over 2C & death of coral reefs from warming, acidification
News Type: Event — Seeded on Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:40 AM EDT
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Latest paper in top scientific journal Nature by top climate scientists, Meinshausen et al: national greenhouse targets give virtually no chance of constraining warming to 2°C and no chance of protecting coral reefs.
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{"commentId":7903697,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}
Key quotes from this critically important scientific paper in the top science journal Nature: "More than 100 nations endorse a goal of limiting global warming to 2 °C or less3. These countries accounted for about 25 per cent of the world population in 2005 (ref. 4). Furthermore, many of the most vulnerable nations, including the Alliance of Small Island States (AOSIS), have called for warming to be limited to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels. To constrain global warming to within 2 °C, developed countries would need to cut their emissions to 25–40 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020 and to 50–80 per cent below 1990 levels by 2050, according to the best available scientific analyses ... The Copenhagen negotiations in December are focussed on what emissions levels should be in 2020. Our assessment of 'current best' national positions indicates that emissions in 2020 are likely to be at least 32 per cent higher than in 2000. Recent work by Meinshausen and colleagues3 has shown that if 2020 global emissions exceed 2000 levels by more than 25 per cent, the probability of exceeding 2 °C could be higher than 50 per cent."
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- 5 votes
#1 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:43 AM EDT{"commentId":7904520,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
This report gives the AP cheerleading report, of Obama's corrupted, corporate enviornmental reform, their lie that these reforms were fundamental, when in fact the corporations trashed the reforms, making change in the enviornment meaningless and especially with this new report, spineless.
{"commentId":7904520,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":7911974,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}
You are quite correct, Eric.
While the traitorous Bush-ite troglodytes want "business as usual" that will worsen the harm already being experienced by the US from man-made climate disruption, ,neo-Bush-ite Obama has offered 2% annual decrease in greenhouse gas pollution (grossly insuffcient as compared to the 6-8% annual decrease required to stave off a 2C rise).
Further the Cap-and-trade Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) before the Senate is a seriously flawed form of the carbon tax that is urgently needed.
Thus top US climate scientist Professor James Hansen (Head, NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies) argues for a strightforward Carbon Tax with 100% Dividend back to ordinary citizens (that can't be manipulated by Wall Street crooks) and has completely dismissed Cap-and-Trade Emissions Trading Schemes (of which the Obama ETS is an example): "The worst thing about cap-and-trade, from a climate standpoint, is that it will surely be inadequate to achieve the sharp reduction of emissions that is needed. Thus cap-and-trade would practically guarantee disastrous climate change for our children and grandchildren" (see: Dr James Hansen, "Carbon Tax and 100% Dividend vs. Tax and Trade", Committee on Ways & Means, US House of Representatives, February 2009 ). .
{"commentId":7911974,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"gpolya"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7903927,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}
I read a prediction by a British scientist that the world population might collapse to less than 1 billion people as a result of global warming and speading pollution and lack of pure water.
{"commentId":7903927,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"Wheel"}
- 8 votes
#2 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:10 AM EDT{"commentId":7904023,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}
Dr James Lovelock FRS has estimated that fewer than 1 billion people will survive this century due to unaddressed man-made climate change (for references see: Climate Disruption, Climate Emergency, Climate Genocide & Penultimate Bengali Holocaust through Sea Level Rise ) - this constituting a prospective climate genocide that will kill 10 billion non-Europeans including 6 billion infants, 3 billion Muslims, 2 billion Indians and 0.3 billion Bangladeshis.
{"commentId":7904023,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"gpolya"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":7904109,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}
Australia-based but global and universalist 300.org says; "There must be a safe and sustainable existence for all peoples and all species on our warming-threatened Planet and this requires a rapid reduction of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration to about 300 parts per million" (see: 300.org - return atmosphere CO2 to 300 ppm ).
Unfortunately, by way of example, pro-coal, pro-war, climate criminal, war criminal Australia is the world's biggest coal exporter and a world leading greenhouse gas (GHG) polluter. Thus Australia's domestic and exported "annual per capita GHG pollution" is 54 tonnes CO2-equivalent per person per year – 2 times that of the US. 10 times that of China, 25 times that of India and 60 times that of Bangladesh.
The must-read Synthesis Report of the March 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference (see: SUMMARY of Synthesis Report of the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference ) concluded "inaction is inexcusable" - yet pro-coal Rudd Labor policy means that Australia will INCREASE its domestic and exported GHG pollution to 80% above the 2000 level by 2050.
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- 5 votes
#3 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT{"commentId":7904132,"authorDomain":"SharnCedar"}
{"commentId":7904172,"authorDomain":"mblanco53"}
We're cooked, literally, and it's all about human narcissism. I work at a major research university, and every day I see some of the most brilliant people in the world throw pop cans into the trash with a recycle bin literally 6 inches away. And it's not about how much better it is to recycle than to not do so. It's about the human propensity to not give a @!$%# unless it "affects" you. Global warming, of course, affects us all, but not just yet. And if in the next generation, it mainly affects, say, the Bangladeshis, "that's their problem" (as I recently heard someone say about people who can't afford health insurance). The "am I my brother's keeper?" attitude that is written in our DNA is going to kill us all.
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- 6 votes
#5 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:35 AM EDT{"commentId":7911690,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}
Mike, I agree that it is about human narcissism (involving greed, selfishness, self-absorption) - we have behaviorally evolved genetically by genes to care for our immediate family group but not for people in the next cave or valley.
However our behaviour has also evolved through selection of memes (socially transmissible ideas) e.g. "love thy neighbor", "all men are created and have an unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (see Professor Richard Dawkins' classic "The Selfish Gene") - we can rise above our gene-based, narrowly hard-wired altruism.
Further, global warming affects us all NOW - about 16 million people die avoidably every year from deprivation and this is being increasingly impacted by man-made global warming. For a summary of climate dusruption affecting the US and the World see the power ppint lecture by Professor John Holdren (Professor of Environmental Policy and Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University; Director, Woods Hole Research Center; former president, American Association for the Advancement of Science, AAAS; President Barack Obama's chief science adviser): "The Science of Climate Disruption" (2008) – a summary of the basis of man-made global warming and the climatic disruption that has already occurred ) .
{"commentId":7911690,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"gpolya"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7912174,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}
As for the Bangladeshis, for a recent summary of their WORSENING situation that is not of their making (the US and Australia are major culprits as world-leading annual per capita greenhouse gas polluters) see: Climate Disruption, Climate Emergency, Climate Genocide & Penultimate Bengali Holocaust through Sea Level Rise .
Pro-coal, pro-war, climate criminal, war criminal, climate genocidal Apartheid Australia is the world's biggest coal exporter and a world leading greenhouse gas (GHG) polluter. Thus Australia's domestic and exported "annual per capita GHG pollution" is 54 tonnes CO2-equivalent per person per year – 2 times that of the USA, 10 times that of China, 25 times that of India and 60 times that of Bangladesh.
{"commentId":7912174,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"gpolya"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":7936605,"authorDomain":"SharnCedar"}
{"commentId":7904216,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}
Acid Rain is something I used to hear much about the the Northeast U.S. and has been absent in the news media.
"Now is the time to confront this challenge once and for all. Delay is no longer an option."
{"commentId":7904216,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"Rixar13"}
- 3 votes
#6 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:39 AM EDT{"commentId":7912248,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}
Rixar13 - global warming is already killing US and Canadian conifer forests through an explosion in insect predation as well as through forest fires that have increased in acreage burned in the Western US by about 5-fold in the last 30 years (e.g. see: Professor John Holdren: The Science of Climate Disruption" (2008) .
Unfortunately acid rain will get worse if it proves necessary (and it is certainly heading that way) to use geoengineering injection of global dimming sulphur oxide aerosols into the atmosphere as one means of cooling the planet.
{"commentId":7912248,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"gpolya"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":7904263,"authorDomain":"SharnCedar"}
{"commentId":7905419,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
Past evidence would indicate that it isn't the planet that is doomed, it is the human race or at least most of it. The planet will abide.
{"commentId":7905419,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
- 6 votes
#8 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:09 AM EDT{"commentId":7906334,"authorDomain":"alwaypwns"}
Gotta love the self cleaning oven effect!
{"commentId":7906334,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"alwaypwns"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7907124,"authorDomain":"Zed-7"}
...it isn't the planet that is doomed, it is the human race...
Really. All those campaigns, "Save the Planet", "Earth Day", etc. are sorely misbranded. Planet Earth will survive just fine with or without humans, at least for another billion years or so.
{"commentId":7907124,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"Zed-7"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7908028,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
All things considered, the planet would be better off. Human affairs only matter to humans.
{"commentId":7908028,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7909628,"authorDomain":"Zed-7"}
All things considered, the planet would be better off...
Another good one. Humans are classic parasites. We swarm all over our host, replicating ourselves will-nilly, sucking the life blood from the Earth. We're tapeworms. And now Planet Earth is getting cystic masses, muscles aches, fevers, and an itchy anus. But, she's got the perfect anthelmintic to get rid of those pesky intruders, CO2. And, before you know it, no more parasites!
{"commentId":7909628,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"Zed-7"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7911513,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
More like a cancer on the planet, and the host body is about to go into remission.
{"commentId":7911513,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":7914705,"authorDomain":"Zed-7"}
More like a cancer on the planet, and the host body is about to go into remission.
Ok. Ok. Good analogy. So, as you see it, humans were at one point an integral part of Planet Earth. Then we mutated and started multiplying out of control and are now choking the very thing that gave us life to begin with. We lost the genetic code that controlled our growth and now we're a necrotic cancerous growth. And CO2 is the potent chemotherapy that will snuff out the cancer that is the human race. Darn, and I was having so much fun. I suppose that's what most cancers say.
{"commentId":7914705,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"Zed-7"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":7914880,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
Yeah, I'd say that that is a much more articulate version of what I was getting at. I don't know about just CO2 though. Probably more like a chemical cocktail. With any luck, there may be a few "cells" left that will behave better next time around. Just hope it isn't radiation therapy that takes care of the problem.
{"commentId":7914880,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7915435,"authorDomain":"wingod"}
I don't see a lot of volunteering to self eliminate the problem here.
{"commentId":7915435,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"wingod"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":7915517,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
Not me, I am the ultimate optimist, I think the world is going in the crapper and I will be one of the survivors. I used to think that anyway, I seem to have arrived at an age now where I probably don't have enough time left to see all that happen anyway.
{"commentId":7915517,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7915559,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}
{"commentId":7915648,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
Well, taking that tack on things, I guess I have done OK, no kids left behind, I am the end of my line.
{"commentId":7915648,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7936700,"authorDomain":"SharnCedar"}
{"commentId":7906444,"authorDomain":"japark"}
Latest paper in top scientific journal Nature by top climate scientists, Meinshausen et al: national greenhouse targets give virtually no chance of constraining warming to 2°C and no chance of protecting coral reefs.
So we can expect Chicken Little to stop squawking? After all, the sky has already fallen ...
{"commentId":7906444,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"japark"}
- 4 votes
#9 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:13 PM EDT{"commentId":7907051,"authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}
I see that you're still a proud member of the Modern Flat-Earth Society, jpark.
{"commentId":7907051,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7907168,"authorDomain":"japark"}
You are the one with an inability to see anything as anything other than an industrial conspiracy.
Do you think you and other Chicken Littles can stop it now that the sky has fallen?
BTW, though there are a few "flat earth" believers, it was never a common belief. Anyone with any visual perception at the ocean or a large lake can see the curvature of the earth.
{"commentId":7907168,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"japark"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7911219,"authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}
BTW, though there are a few "flat earth" believers, it was never a common belief
Up to Columbus' day, it was a very common belief, similar to the very common bible-clutching, gun-toting conservatives' belief that AGW is a farce (eg. Sarah Palin, spaceguy & your AGW-is-a-farce Belief, jpark)
Anyone with any visual perception at the ocean or a large lake can see the curvature of the earth.
Exactly true of how anyone with a brain & eyes can also observe the nothern hemisphere's migration of tropical birds, trees & other species, further & further northwards over the last few decades.
But then some conservatives just insist on following Exxon's lead that the world's "cooling" [youKnow? = the modern day's version of "the earth's flat & Al Gore's an idiot!"]
Laf
{"commentId":7911219,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":7911275,"authorDomain":"japark"}
Roxanne2Sweet,
I'll ask a third time:
Do you think you and other Chicken Littles can stop it now that the sky has fallen?
{"commentId":7911275,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"japark"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7914396,"authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}
tsk, tsk; jpark, we all know that you're really saying: "It's already too late, so let's take zero action to regulate global warming/fossil fuel burning, & take zero action to introduce higher vehicle mileage standards, etc"...
Which coincidentally, I hear is the exact same position of ExxonMobil's PR Dept.
Now, I'm by no means saying that you work for them or for a denier group that they fund; but at the minimum, I hope that Exxon's paying you very handsomely for enthusiastically championing their exact same Cause, ok jpark.
{"commentId":7914396,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7914661,"authorDomain":"japark"}
So Chicken Little will continue to squawk even after the sky has fallen.
Noted.
Conspiracy theorists apparently cannot act rationally.
(Rationality says that if the result is inevitable, there is no further reason to attempt to prevent the result).
{"commentId":7914661,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"japark"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":7917259,"authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}
Rationality says that if the result is inevitable, there is no further reason to attempt to prevent the result
Which is a fallacious leap of logic (common to Deniers) as applied to AGW. AGW can be mitigated, for eg. by ultimately taking additional legislative steps (which Exxon will hate) to stabilize at 550ppm by century's end versus 1,000 ppm.
Which in turn could buy mankind sufficient time to successfully geo-engineer ourselves out of the crisis. After-all, we are a clever, inventive species. And I'm certain as the years roll on, most persons will realize that current mitigation measures are woefully inadequate, & thereby make the necessary adjustments such as much deeper cuts in greenhouse emissions.
But an irrational person such as yourself jpark, along with your Denier ilk, simply cannot think rationally.
{"commentId":7917259,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":7936786,"authorDomain":"SharnCedar"}
{"commentId":7907919,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}
Terribly depressing -- we're cooked, as Mike says. Nice to have met all of you, though.
{"commentId":7907919,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}
- 4 votes
#10 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:37 PM EDT{"commentId":7911804,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}
MinnieApolis - but we don't have to be cooked.
There is still a small window to stop catastrophic climate change but the harsh reality is that man-made climate disruption is here to stay (short of massive geoengineering to reverse the atmosphere carbon load) - and due in large part to evil, greedy and corrupt corporations and politicians who put have their personal wealth before national and global interests.
This is one of the key conclusions of the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference at the University of Copenhagen (see: SUMMARY of Synthesis Report of the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference ): "5. Inaction is inexcusable – "Society already has many tools and approaches – economic, technological, behavioural, and managerial – to deal effectively with the climate change challenge. If these tools are not widely and vigorously implemented, adaptation to the unavoidable climate change and the social transformation required to decarbonise economies will not be achieved. A wide range of benefits will flow from a concerted effort to achieve effective and rapid adaptation and mitigation. These include job growth in the sustainable sector; reductions in the health, social, economic and environmental costs of climate change; and the repair of ecosystems and revitalisation of ecosystem services".
{"commentId":7911804,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"gpolya"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":7919539,"authorDomain":"amphoto87"}
i love how people are still denying the effects of global warming...it boggles my mind.
{"commentId":7919539,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"amphoto87"}
- 2 votes
#11 - Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:26 AM EDT{"commentId":7919711,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
There were probably a lot of Romans sitting around denying that the vandals were coming too. If there had have been any dinosaurs at the time to discuss things they probably would have been saying that the asteroid was not going to be any big deal either.
{"commentId":7919711,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":7936860,"authorDomain":"SharnCedar"}
{"commentId":7936927,"authorDomain":"SharnCedar"}
{"commentId":7937542,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
Boy Sharn, you are going to wear yourself out taking all this stuff so serious. Especially if you keep taking me serious. You need to lighten up a little.
{"commentId":7937542,"threadId":"614457","contentId":"2977333","authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}
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