Pro-US, pro-Zionist Australia refuses to support Goldstone Report at UN General Assembly

Apartheid Australia

Australia too,now? lol

I wonder when he's going to start talking about "Apartheid Palestine"? lol (or, maybe-- Aparhteid Lebanon? Apartheid Iraq-- that has a nice ring to it! :)

Where is the joke in 'Apartheid Australia'? check the notorious old and modern history of Australia with aborigional population

So why are we picking on Australia when 18 other countries voted against the Report as well.

Gideon Polya--

The Australian Government is working to make amends with the Indigenous communities. It isn't easy, they are met with opposition from within the communities.

Readers of this thread - Apartheid Australia has race-based laws that specifically exclude Northern Territory Indigenous Australians (NT Aboriginal Australians) - they are forbidden to see, eat, buy, drink, consume, transport, sell things available to all other Australians and can be arbitrarily removed from their Sacred Land, homes and communities and on the say so of White Officials without recourse to law (see "Restoring racial equality in the NT": Restoring racial equality in the NT )..

Do you live in Australia? I'm really curious. You list ONE MP from the Green Party as your whole basis for your knowledge regarding what is happening down here? OK THEN

Gideon Polya--

DO you LIVE down here? Do you currently LIVE in Australia to even have one freaking clue of what is happening?

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Fada--

Where is the joke in 'Apartheid Australia'? check the notorious old and modern history of Australia with aborigional population

So do you live in Australia?

Do I have to live in South Africa to buy History books about its Aparheid past?

However Dr Gideon knows about Australia more than we all do , you can ask him 'why'

Good for Australia.I always knew they were a sensible bunch of folks down there.

Fada--

I rest my case. As you have NO freaking clue what is really happening down here and ALL details you have no room to talk.

Dr. Gideon, probably researched only what he wanted to look up for his purposes.

I LIVE HERE IN AUSTRALIA I don't need to ask him anything.

I didn,t say anything new or mentioned any details in my short post that would imperate me to offer special clue about what is really happening down there

I am not entitled to talk for Gideon but it,s well known that he is an Australian renowned Professor and brilliant Scholar who has his scientific books and a sustantial work on climate changes and political researching published on international magazines and internet websites. I sometimes ve surprised that he has a spare time for Newsvine

Red Cross re: Israel's Use of White Phosphorous

As usual you are trying to create on the surface a pacifier effect with your comment.

The huffington report is from Jan 13, 2009 when the situation was very difficult to see (get access) by red cross or human rights - It was right after operation Cast Lead, at a critical time of 100's injured and suffering, 100's killed and destroyed buildings with 100's trapped or dead and chemicals all over the place.

Neverthless the report refers to people with burns as a result of the chemical

However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza, where Palestinian health officials say more than 900 people have been killed and 4,250 wounded since Israel launched its offensive late last month. Israel says the operation aims to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks over the border.

Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of firing phosphorous shells and warned of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries. The chemical is suspected in the cases of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies.

There's always something to nitpick though. Chose one word out of the whole idea and scramble up some dissenting opinions as to the meaning of that word and there ya go - the whole point is negated over questioning the semantics of one word.

Is there controversy that the majority of UN members voted to accept the UN resolution endorsing the Goldstone Report which calls for further investigation? No. It's easier to dissemble the main idea by creating controversy with a semantic issue.

The will of the international community is to recognize and investigate violations as outlined in Goldstone. I look at Goldstone as a grand jury whose mission it was to gather facts and evidence of potential violations. This grand jury returned with a report citing significant evidence of violations of war crimes. The UN vote endorses the report.

For Moshawn, Meloney, and the rest of the crew whose past time is bellyaching about Israel but ignoring the worst human rights violators on the planet, including Sudan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, and North Korea:

The only organization that lacks credibility is the U.N.

They've wasted years passing meaningless resolutions against Israel all the while barely lifting a finger to protest countries with the most atrocious track records imaginable.

Ponder this truth at your leisure.

To paraphrase a post from IDF - If Algeria sponsored a U.N. resolution stating that the world was flat and Israel had flattened it, the General Assembly would pass it 140-18 with 26 abstentions.

BJK-798627--

Awww come on mate, don't ya know Israel and the US are to blame for EVERYTHING in the world. I am sure Israel and/or the US were to blame for the Boxing Day Tsunami, Black Saturday last Feb in Australia, the polar ice caps melting, you name, it they are to blame.

People will find excuses for the other human rights violations in the countries you mentioned.

The Idf is more than capable of investigating itself,the UN charade is completely unnecessary. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3799935,00.html

but how many will come out as punishment? how do these indictments come about? cause of third party pressures.

It is admirable that they are looking into things, but it's similar to having the NYPD investigate its officers after an "incident". There is a clear conflict of interest.

There is a clear conflict of interest in expecting IDF to investigate itself. How can an independent international investigation be called a charade in the face of such a suggestion?

The Israeli military doesn't even cooperate with decisions of Israeli courts if they find them inconvenient (see Bil'in). Police state.

How can an independent international investigation be called a charade in the face of such a suggestion?

Simple.

Just read carefully the context of the report,and then look at some of the countries who voted for it.

Charade is being nice.

Idf has been investigating itself for years,probably more than any other force in the world,and that's what's going to happen this time around,and in the future if needed.

I think you believe that IDF needs no oversight IDFed. It's that sort of thinking that has permitted or often welcomed the police state that Israel has become.

Never again.

Yes,it does. and Idf has it from its own country.

you believe that IDF needs no oversight

oversight from some of the countries that voted for this report,did you see the list??you're absalutely right I don't think the IDF needs their oversight. It's laughable at best.

you're right about the Never Again part,though.

Ashkenazi added, "From this place, from whence our brothers and sisters were led to the gas chambers without cause or reason but for their Jewish faith, we say to all haters, deniers, and bringers of malice with our heads held high: We are here. The people of Israel have risen and rejuvenated in their country and they demand their independence and security."http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3795884,00.html

IDFeb89 IDF has been investigating itself for number of years and with all the issues keep coming out i don't see any correlation to punishment. the last i heard was just an apology. when you do something wrong you will never investigate yourself properly.

I thought Texas was the alternative Zion.

There is a connection Texas Australia -- notice both are pretty much the same braggart personalities. They both deserve the Zionist.

Why do Zionists feel they need a homeland?

Gideon You have such depth to what you write it makes me ponder and search. Sorry if I do not respond quickly.

Why do Zionists feel they need a homeland?

You actually had to ask that?

Well gee we could say Palestinians are "Zionists" as well.

Australia does not have to account for its actions to any of you busy criticizing it. They know that the Goldstone report is a bunch of lies and they decided to just ignore it. They're free to do so and don't have to explain their reasons to anyone.

I was almost certain that today of all days after the carnage at Fort Hood, there would have been some silence on the part of some posters. But...I was wrong. The big mouths are at it as usual and ignoring the events at Fort Hood. Interesting and very telling...

Why do Zionists feel they need a homeland?

Why do Palestinians feel a need for a homeland?

Why do Palestinians feel a need for a homeland?

Because their homeland has been stolen by the zionists and whatever is left continues to be stolen everyday.

Because their homeland has been stolen by the zionists and whatever is left continues to be stolen everyday.

And the Jews had their homeland stolen by the Palestinians and Muslims and they were forced into slavery and forced into exile, and then went up to Europe where they then had to deal with the Holocaust. So what is your point??

Peach-1322200--

Australia does not have to account for its actions to any of you busy criticizing it. They know that the Goldstone report is a bunch of lies and they decided to just ignore it. They're free to do so and don't have to explain their reasons to anyone.

I was almost certain that today of all days after the carnage at Fort Hood, there would have been some silence on the part of some posters. But...I was wrong. The big mouths are at it as usual and ignoring the events at Fort Hood. Interesting and very telling...

THANK YOU!!!! What is happening down here has NOTHING to do with the Report that is about the Middle East.

Thanks Gideon. I notice you have drawn the bottom feeders to your seed. Thanks for the information. I am sure you are educating thousands by your writing. As for the mud sucking bottom feeders people know who they are and why they do what they do.

The only people who would confuse Gideon's load of crap with historical fact are people like you, Bob.

And I'd be remiss if I excluded your kindred spirits Eric Albert, Moshawn, and plenty of others whose knowledge of history consists of nonsense published at U.C. Berkeley and episodes of the Twilight Zone.

Gideon - your arguments are hollow, not to mention incredibly tiresome, and insult the intelligence of anyone with ten living brain cells.

To correct your latest load of nonsense:

Palestinians have been living in a country called Palestine or variants thereof for about 3,000 years (and more before that).

Under Saladin they defeated Western colonization in the Middle Ages but the combined might of the UK and the US in 1948 proved too great for essentially unarmed Palestinians.

In 1880 0.5 million Arab Palestinians and 25,000 Jews (half immigrants) in the Holy Land.

Zionism involved US- and UK-backed race-based colonization of Arab Palestine that was akin in principle to Nazi German resumption of racist Germanification of Poland in WW2.

No country called Palestine ever existed in ancient times, unless you consider the Phillistine cities (Philistia) in what is now Gaza a country. In addition, the Phillistines (largely absorbed into the Jewish population starting in the reign of King David) were not Arabs; they were seafarers from Crete.

Arabs did not invade the Middle East until the 7th century. They controlled what is now Egypt and Israel until the 10th century, at which point Turkish groups starting with the Mamluks gained power.

Saladin himself was Kurdish, not Arab. His army was largely Turkish as well. Not surprisingly, by 1250, Turkish forces loyal to Saladin's heirs took control of Egypt. By 1517, Ottoman Turks conquered much of the Middle East and held Jerusalem until 1917.

Where were the 'Palestinians' during these centuries? In hiding to elude future generations of historians?

FYI, the British basically turned over their infrastructure to the Arabs in May 1948. As soon as Israel declared independence, six Arab armies invaded with the intention of wiping Israel off the map.

Another historical fact you'll never hear from our revisionist in chief, Gideon Polya.

In 1880, the land (still under Ottoman control) was home to a total population of Arabs, Jews, etc. numbering no more than a few hundred thousand. Arab immigration increased in the wake of increased Jewish immigration from Europe, starting in 1881.

By 1900, Jews were the majority of Jerusalem's population.

Another fact Gideon refuses to acknowledge. Shocker.

Then comes a howler: Jewish efforts to organize the modern state of Israel were somehow analogous to the German invasion of Poland in WWII.

Taking that statement to its idiotic conclusion, he'll claim that Jews deported Arabs to concentration camps in the Negev and killed them by the thousands.

Oh, wait, that never happened.

Sighs with relief...

lol ---The only people in the world who believe your racial based Zionism crap are the same people who keep posting the same stuff on Newsvine. Sometimes new names, but the same racist garbage. It is redundant.

racist garbage

That term is hysterical coming from you, Bob.

Passing off a concoction of lies, myths, fiction, and all out historical revisionism is fine and dandy in Bob's world.

But telling the truth or pointing out any fact the anti-Israel crowd doesn't want to hear is 'racism.'

Good.

Keep the laughs coming.

Israel does maintain a Negev desert prison - Ketziot - which has held thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children. Many have been detained without cause or trial and their families prevented from visiting. Does Israel publish a list of the sick and dying detainees in it's prison system?

Thanks Meloney. These people expect if they yell loud enough we will not hear the pain coming out of Israel and Palestine.

Does Israel publish a list of the sick and dying detainees in it's prison system?

Considering virtually all people in Israeli prisons come out alive, I don't think there's cause for alarm.

These people expect if they yell loud enough we will not hear the pain coming out of Israel and Palestine.

We simply point out the fallacies, hypocrisy, and utter nonsense that permeate so many posts on Newsvine. No need to yell when one's message is the truth.

Arabs did not invade the Middle East until the 7th century. They controlled what is now Egypt and Israel until the 10th century

I wonder from where this twisted history comes from

After Arab mulems conquered most of the middle east 1400 years ago they assimiliated in its societies and they have become the People of Arab States , they didn,t go anywhere ever after

During all periods -Sultanah = Empire =kingdom of Ayoubiyan 'Sala el-Din' and of Mamaleek and Ottomani and British whatever it was a conquer or colonialism , Arabs were the people ruled by those comers . They didn,t go anywere

Arabs ''the People'' including Palestinians'' didn,t vanish away or become Mamaleek or Ottomanis or British just because the rulers were from Mamaleek,Ottomanis and British...

Arabs ''the People'' including Palestinians'' didn,t vanish away or become Mamaleek or Ottomanis or British just because the rulers were from Mamaleek,Ottomanis and British...

I think you're missing my point, Fada.

Yes, Arabs have lived in much of the Middle East outside of Arabia since the 7th century.

So far so good.

Then comes a self contradictory statement:

they assimiliated in its societies and they have become the People of Arab States , they didn,t go anywhere ever after

If they (the Arabs) really assimilated into existing societies, calling these places "Arab States" is a misnomer to say the least.

Today, Algeria and Morocco have large Berber populations who do not identify themselves as Arabs.

Iraq has a large Kurdish population that definitely wants no part of an 'Arab State.'

Egypt, Syria and several other Arab majority countries have minority groups who identify themselves as something other than Arab, for example Coptic Egyptians.

So much for the assimilation theory.

As for the second claim, "they didn't go anywhere ever after," is true in some cases but ultimately ignores migrations and upheavals of the last 1,000 years. In essence, it turns a blind eye to history in a vain attempt to recapture the glory days of early Islam (a brief period in the early 8th century when a united Arab empire stretched from Spain to Persia).

Mamluks, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, and Ottomans did not simply conquer land in the Middle East then send away for mail order brides.

The conquerors' genes found their way into the local population, to put it euphemistically.

I'm simply pointing out the fallacy inherent in the claim "Every part of the Middle East the Arabs have moved to in the past 14 centuries has been an 'Arab state' ever since." That's confusing culture with political control.

All those points you mentiond I didn,t disagree with or deny , they can be attributed to the natural movment of history I mean ''immigration by some people out and in , and assimilation of some invadors , mixed arriage and conversion of some locals , some minorities holding to their ancient belonging...some prefer to join the majority ...extra''....nothing in reality can be called pure race ..there is a people made out of all those descent

This was not what I am responding to , I am responding to some other posts spreading new misinformation and weird statements llike 'Palestinian never existed-''..also responding to your statements :- They controlled what is now Egypt and Israel until the 10th century ..and Saka-el-Din was Kurdish

By wha I call 'history movement'' Arabs of Arabia and Egyptian Copts who converted to islam willingly have become the Magority of Egyptian population...Arab existence in Egypt didn,t end in 10th century with the begining of control by other ethnics like Mamaleek and Ottomani and British...My point is that Palestinian also are what they are since long time . No matter from what ethnics they ar the Palestinian who lived in Palestine for long time before 1948 , and all confusing historical debates are like red herring to deny their right in their homeland

Salah el-Din el-Ayoubi was Kurdish? so what? He was Syrian and part of Syrian minority raised at 'Ayoub community'' They are like all other Syrian minorities . .Aren,t Israeli miorities called Israelis?..or called for their origional countries like Fussioa,Yeme,Ithiobia,....

The last line in my msg was screwed. I meant 'origional countries' like Russia, Athiopia, Yemen ....

Moshawn, as one who is quite familiar with the effects of white phosphorus, let my tell you that peeling skin is the least of ones worries. Willie Pete, as it is known in the trade, iginites on contact with air until either the phosphorus or the oxygen is completely gone, reaching a temperature of about 1800 deg. F and producing thick clouds of white smoke. It burns in small chunks and flakes; when one of these comes in contact with flesh it continues to burn into the flesh unless it is isolated from oxygenated air. It is employed both as a smoke/marker and as an incendiary.

I think that the soldiers of the IDF and Hamas know the effects of WP as well as I do. what others do not understand is that as long as the non-combatant inhabitants of the Gaza Strip do not remove themselves from the area of immediate danger then they are wilfully assisting and shielding the Hamas "fighters". That Hamas and other terrorist organizations wilfully expose to the dangers of war those they espouse to protect, they are just as, if not more, culpable for the results.

...whereas a Muslim donating money to an orphanage or hospital in the democratically-elected Hamas-ruled Gaza Concentration Camp potentially faces life imprisonment under racist laws in Apartheid Australia.

Calling Hamas a democratically elected government is tantamount to claiming the Khmer Rouge was a back to nature movement that actively encouraged Cambodians to relocate to remote agricultural communes in the jungle.

Any group that assassinates its opponents instantly becomes an enemy of democracy regardless of an election held months before. It renders the group illegitimate and its authority null and void.

Anyone who donates money to a group like Hamas in the hopes they'll use it help an orphanage is hopelessly naive to say the least.

Hamas has spent the last three years smuggling tons of weapons into Gaza from Egypt.

Not food. Not clothing. Not school supplies. But weapons.

Sad sad sad.

Gideon Polya

I don't think you would be welcome in Australia.

Especially, when you sit there and insult them. Aussies are a different breed and don't stand for that @!$%#.

Australia is beautiful, even the out back, ..........for a ex penal colony!

But they do have that mentality like Texass.

I learn this 40 years ago. They are aggressive far past their ability to take care and defend themselves. They are the definition of what a grandiose personality disorder is.

They share the paranoid feeling of being surrounded like Israel.

40 years ago I was living there. I cant say about today, but they were a handful. The best part was the love and hate relationship for America. Their politicians wanted to be our military lackeys, the people rejected everything American military might, and the New Zealanders finally tossed our ass's out over the nuclear bull crap.

They went from Apartheid to importing Blacks and Asians right after I left. But Yugoslavs, well they imported them for ever, vendettas and all, and they killed them selves off faster than Kosova.

I know I try to be charitable when I hear one in an airport in some far off corner of the world complaining about everything American. But they love to come to the US and work. AS far as the Palmy-bastard jokes they also love to stay past their welcome in the UK.

Haven't heard about the POMMY for a while.

They love to hate the brits.

That and us Yanks.

Pommy OKay I stand corrected. I am not so romantic about Australia never was. I remember during Vietnam black guys were told to stay away from Australia because they were not wanted.

A New Zealand told me one time her father said Austrailians' never moved away from their criminal roots. I am not sure why I do not like them but basically I find them vulgar,and their movies amateurish

Gideon, two points before I move on to a more worthwhile thread.

1) Being uprooted during a war (or moving voluntarily as the case may be) and ending up 50 or even 100 miles away is barely a refugee crisis and is definitely not genocide. The Arab countries preferred to let the Palestinians rot in refugee camps on their own soil for decades rather than declare them citizens and move on with life. Any excuse to keep fighting Israel.

Of course, these same countries expelled close to a million Jews between 1948 and 1956. Which you would have to call genocide for the sake of consistency. Of course, Israel, which you hate for no good reason, absorbed every last one of these Jewish refugees. Oh the irony.

2) Screaming 'genocide' every five seconds amounts to nothing more than an argument by bizarre definition when applied to the Palestinians.

I've read Jared Diamond's book and plenty of other books about the Holocaust, Cambodia - you know, actual genocides.

In every case, many if not all of the members of the victims' group were killed. Needless to say, the group's numbers plummeted.

So how is it that in the past 61 years, the population of Palestinian Arabs has quadrupled?

Is Israel biding its time, you know, waiting until its centennial anniversary to unleash some unspeakable horror on every Arab in a 500 mile radius?

I seriously doubt it.

Not to disappoint you, Jews stole Arab lands, or so says the bible.

Then God told Abraham: "Leave your home and travel to a land that I will show you. If you do this, I will make of you a great nation."

Abraham and Sarah packed their household and moved to Canaan. The Lord told him: "To your descendants I will give this land." This promise was repeated over and over to Abraham, despite the fact that in their 70s, he and Sarah were still childless.

Basically I am hearing the same stuff from you I have been reading on Newsvine for 2 years.

The truth doesn't change with time.

Professor Gideon is a breath of fresh air and educates instead of blasting a reader with zionist ideology.

If you consider lies, lies, and more lies to be a breath of fresh air, that's your problem.

Honest people will tell you that raw sewage stinks; con artists, on the other hand, go to great lengths to convince you the odor is really an expensive brand of perfume.

If an argument doesn't pass the whiff test, I don't buy it.

Your repeating yourself again trying to spin Israels ethnic cleansing.

If you consider the truth........What's wrong with Israel,... apartheid, stealing arab lands and water, preempting wars, shooting reporters, jailing any one who tells the truth, communism, socialism, and all the other things Israel stands for.

Then even the bible states the Arab land theft by the Jews...

Then God told Abraham: "Leave your home and travel to a land that I will show you. If you do this, I will make of you a great nation."

Abraham and Sarah packed their household and moved to Canaan. The Lord told him: "To your descendants I will give this land." This promise was repeated over and over to Abraham, despite the fact that in their 70s, he and Sarah were still childless.

Even their semantics wont cover their ass and lies on this one, but others keep trying anyway.

Rather than becoming productive, enlightened citizens of the world, Arabs choose to continue practices of human rights violations again women, children, and non-Arab or non-Muslim people

What exactly this kind ofcheap regular propaganda hum drum has to do with the seedthat is about the explicit crimes and atrociies committed by Israel against Palestinians since 1948 and so far till the latest Gaza dispropp rtionate slaughtery?

Dave, you have mastered irony. Congratulations.